Curse

cormac ap dunn · May 27, 2010, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach

As far as I'm concerned, I've already quit this game two years ago, and only came back to do some runs with friends etc.

I honestly can't say I'm disappointed in having my account banned, it's just that I know for a fact that I've helped my guild/alliance community much more than I've caused some arbitrary harm to the game as whole.

I offer freed lockpicks on runs when people forgot them, solely provided for consets and other minor expenses, gave away items I acquired from the runs I did. Hell, even when one of our officers got hacked and had all of his characters wiped. I gave him a hefty sum that was well over half my wealth just to get him started.

It was fun playing Guild Wars again not for the sake of money, but rather the sake of helping others. I don't regret botting and I won't even deny that I did, but I know I'm a good person and that I've inspired a good hand full of people to be respectful and generous as well.

In addressing this thread, this topic was made for speculation and discussion alone, have fun with your blatant assumptions, misunderstandings, and endless hatred for one another. Just because you express disdain in the form of "justice" doesn't change the fact that it's disdain in itself.

I lol when people disguise their bad decisions as good intentions. To say that you helped your friends and guild by jeopardizing their accounts with ill-gotten goods and gold is some form of penance for your decision to bot is not only silly, but down right sad, i'm sure any who would get banned for your efforts would surely raise you up on their shoulders and parade you around as a hero(wait, why are we headed to that bonfire? whats with the pitchforks?).

Winterclaw · May 27, 2010, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by Wynthyst

I've always been puzzled by the attitude of some gamers who, go out, spend $50 on a game, and then instantly go searching for cheat codes so they can play in godmode. What is the point in buying the game if you don't acutally have an interest in PLAYING it?

They don't know the sense of accomplishment that goes into finding a feebas, screwing up on the sheen (stupid poffins), only to be relieved you were smart enough to catch a male and a female.

IlikeGW · May 27, 2010, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by mage767

Though I dislike botting more than anything else, perma bans should never be enforced. There should be a long-ban (like 3 months). If the action is repeated, then all titles (PvP or PvE) + items should be removed and the account allowed to function as usual. This should be done for all accounts tied to the same IP. So, don't let your grandma or kid brother play on the same computer as you.

It is just a game. The stance by ANET is worst business move I have seen.

Bull. It's a multiplayer environment. There has to be zero tolerance for cheating, or cheating would be out of control. Cheaters are just mad that Anet is doing their job, but the rest of the playerbase is happier for it.

garethporlest18 · May 27, 2010, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

I lol when people disguise their bad decisions as good intentions. To say that you helped your friends and guild by jeopardizing their accounts with ill-gotten goods and gold is some form of penance for your decision to bot is not only silly, but down right sad, i'm sure any who would get banned for your efforts would surely raise you up on their shoulders and parade you around as a hero(wait, why are we headed to that bonfire? whats with the pitchforks?).

Well Robin Hood did the same thing and everyone thinks highly of him..be him fictional or not.

Anyways, for those that got banned..why are you worried? You do realize how many games out there top GW at the moment right? Go play those and you'll forget GW soon enough.

fires element · May 27, 2010, 09:41 PM // 21:41

i think the bans were justified, but i would like to see them do something with the ill gotten items. maybe they should give them to the shining blade and come up with a new npc that will hand you some random items confiscated from banned botter accounts for medals of honor

Pugs Not Drugs · May 27, 2010, 09:45 PM // 21:45

I was banned for botting, I'll go right out and admit it. I am disappointed (I have been playing Guild Wars since '06) but I am not going to lie to myself and try to justify it. I broke the rules and I payed the consequences. I know what I was doing was wrong, but I was lazy and felt I deserved all the nice things other players had without working. I fooled myself into thinking that I would not be banned, even though deep down I knew that sooner or later I would be caught and punished. I have nobody to blame but myself, so I applaud ANET on their decisiveness. I'm not saying this just because I am already banned. If ANET somehow knew all the accounts that were botting, I would rather them give them a perma ban than take the pussy way out and "give them a 2 week ban" to "a chance to reflect on their misdemeanors."

ShaneOfMach · May 27, 2010, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

I lol when people disguise their bad decisions as good intentions. To say that you helped your friends and guild by jeopardizing their accounts with ill-gotten goods and gold is some form of penance for your decision to bot is not only silly, but down right sad, i'm sure any who would get banned for your efforts would surely raise you up on their shoulders and parade you around as a hero(wait, why are we headed to that bonfire? whats with the pitchforks?).

I'm not disguising anything, I quit GW ages ago and decided to leave with a bang. Made money, used that money for positive support, had the best 3-4 weeks of GW I ever had since I started. I just think it's absolutely silly that I'm now scum for somehow hurting you in inexplicable ways.

You're the one assuming I'm making excuses, I just created a thread for discussion. Enjoy attacking me all you want, it doesn't make you seem more intelligent or witty, nor does it make me feel worse.

So my point is, provide me an actual rational and sound opinion on the subject, rather than LOL BOT YOU TRASH I HOPE YOU DIE. Frankly, I'm not the one being immature here.

Ka Tet · May 27, 2010, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by fireflyry

1.Let's get real here.

2.How else were they expected to efficiently solve the problem unless they recorded such abuse over time as frequent and prolonged.It's the only logical way to resolve the issue without creating a huge increase in inappropriate bans.

3.Another rough analogy:You might get caught for robbing a bank.What do you think would happen if you went before the court and used "...but I robbed dozens of other banks and got away with it for months..." as your defence.

4.Slack policing is never going to be a justifiable excuse for breaking the EULA and no amount of angry botters will ever change that fact.

1. Let's.
2. The way to deal with the problem is to deal with it on the front end.
3. I am a person who likes analogies. However if you're going to use them please put a little more thought into them.
3.(Cont.) and 4. I did not say they should get away with it.

fireflyry · May 27, 2010, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach

In addressing this thread, this topic was made for speculation and discussion alone, have fun with your blatant assumptions, misunderstandings, and endless hatred for one another. Just because you express disdain in the form of "justice" doesn't change the fact that it's disdain in itself.

You seem mature, polite and admiringly honest but that doesn't change the fact nobody likes a cheater regardless of your motivation, flippancy or the fact you went Robin Hood with your profit.

You do have a point but seriously...what did you really expect.A group hug?

I don't think I've seen any personal hatred or disdain here as opposed to expected reaction against those crying foul citing their personal motivation to bot as an acceptable reason for leniency.

Sorry but it just doesn't work that way.

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

Same,I agree with the bans,but they were a bit to exagerated. It was like

OK BAN FOREVER EVERY SINGLE COMPUTER THAT INJECTED ANYTHING TO GUILDWARS REGARDLESS IF IT WAS A BOT OR IF IT WAS HIS FRIEND OR NEIGHBOOR.GOOGOGGOOGOGOOGOGOGO!

If they decided not to ban every player who claimed their "neighbour", "friend" or "insert contact" as the person who botted on their IP there would have been zero bans.

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Originally Posted by Pugs Not Drugs

I was banned for botting, I go right out and admit. I am disappointed (I have been playing Guild Wars since '06) but I am not going to lie to myself and try to justify it. I broke the rules and I payed the consequences. I know what I was doing was wrong, but I was lazy and felt I deserved all the nice things other players had without working. I fooled myself into thinking that I would not be banned, even though deep down I knew that sooner or later I would be caught and punished. I have nobody to blame but myself, so I applaud ANET on their decisiveness. I'm not saying this just because I am already banned. If ANET somehow knew all the accounts that were botting, I would rather them give them a perma ban than take the pussy way out and "give them a 2 week ban" to "a chance to reflect on their misdemeanors."

Most honest post I've read so far.Kudos.

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

The way to deal with the problem is to deal with it on the front end.

I agree to disagree.Regina already posted their reasoning for the time taken to react and it's sound.

maddigit · May 27, 2010, 09:58 PM // 21:58

The only rational opinion I have is that it plainly states in the EULA no bot usage.

Maybe you people that got banned didn't read it or figured you didn't apply to the rules....

My advice is get a new account, start over, and play straight.

Rhododendron · May 27, 2010, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach

So my point is, provide me an actual rational and sound opinion on the subject, rather than LOL BOT YOU TRASH I HOPE YOU DIE. Frankly, I'm not the one being immature here.

You have done things that the End User License Agreement you accepted before starting to play the game - forbids doing, and explains the punishment for it.
Is that mature enough for you?

sixdartbart · May 27, 2010, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by Pugs Not Drugs

I was banned for botting, I go right out and admit. I am disappointed (I have been playing Guild Wars since '06) but I am not going to lie to myself and try to justify it. I broke the rules and I payed the consequences. I know what I was doing was wrong, but I was lazy and felt I deserved all the nice things other players had without working. I fooled myself into thinking that I would not be banned, even though deep down I knew that sooner or later I would be caught and punished. I have nobody to blame but myself, so I applaud ANET on their decisiveness. I'm not saying this just because I am already banned. If ANET somehow knew all the accounts that were botting, I would rather them give them a perma ban than take the pussy way out and "give them a 2 week ban" to "a chance to reflect on their misdemeanors."

Take Note Kids
This is what is called person responsibility {something that is sorely lacking these days IMO}
ALL of the people twisting and contorting to justify cheating "I only did it once" "Everyone else was doing it" " it happened along time ago so I shouldn't be punished" "I did it to help my friends" "blah blah blah" should try to learn how to do what Pugs has done here!

@ Pugs
A+ for manning up
F- for cheating in the first place but GL to you.

Zarion Silverarrow · May 27, 2010, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Doesn't the new KSMod work by injecting a .dll? I'm not getting banned for that, so the blanket dll injection bans are false.

Some people,like a friend i know IRL,were banned for textmod/multi launch. you were just lucky I guess.

Ofcourse, IDK if its dll detection but it probably is.

ManlyMan · May 27, 2010, 10:20 PM // 22:20

"Was termination really appropriate? "

Yeap.

I love all the rationale being said here, i never had so much amusement on these forums.

also lol @ Zarion.

cormac ap dunn · May 27, 2010, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by Pugs Not Drugs

I was banned for botting, I go right out and admit. I am disappointed (I have been playing Guild Wars since '06) but I am not going to lie to myself and try to justify it. I broke the rules and I payed the consequences. I know what I was doing was wrong, but I was lazy and felt I deserved all the nice things other players had without working. I fooled myself into thinking that I would not be banned, even though deep down I knew that sooner or later I would be caught and punished. I have nobody to blame but myself, so I applaud ANET on their decisiveness. I'm not saying this just because I am already banned. If ANET somehow knew all the accounts that were botting, I would rather them give them a perma ban than take the pussy way out and "give them a 2 week ban" to "a chance to reflect on their misdemeanors."

Much respect ! now thats the sort of person that i can say will be missed in game, one that mans up! hopefully with that attitude of both awareness and owning you're decision we see you in GW2 ready to be better then you were before

@ ShaneOfMach "Enjoy attacking me all you want, it doesn't make you seem more intelligent or witty, nor does it make me feel worse.

So my point is, provide me an actual rational and sound opinion on the subject, rather than LOL BOT YOU TRASH I HOPE YOU DIE. Frankly, I'm not the one being immature here."
don't recall saying any of that, hmm, mad much ?
lets hope you mature to half the level of Pugs here.

fortior · May 27, 2010, 10:25 PM // 22:25

You know what would have been way cool? If the banned accounts were just flagged and had Dhuum spawn in every explorable area and outpost to kill them over and over again

CAN'T RUN FROM DHUUM BABY

snowman relic · May 27, 2010, 10:26 PM // 22:26

Yesterday dhuum attacked all known botters and breakers of the Eula but was it enough? i relize areanet banned 3,700 accounts but they missed key accounts that have at least admitted to buying and selling illegal items such as duped items now. Duped items have always been a problem but ive seen a few people openly admit of "passing on duped mini rolls to other accounts and friends" on public forms and with their characters names and when innocents are banned but not them it gets me a little annoyed. I personally was not banned but several of my friends who to be honest werent smart enough to figure out how to work a bot and were so poor that theirs no way they botted get permanatly banned.

So i would like others opinions am i overracting or is it that this isnt right?

Warvic · May 27, 2010, 10:27 PM // 22:27

you called 2000 botters, 2000 active players. I lol'd

Dervish Kid · May 27, 2010, 10:30 PM // 22:30

Yup, you botted, you took the risk, you got rewards, you got banned by dhuum's scythe haha. Buy on a serious note, why give a 2 week suspension, because when the 2 weeks were up, more than half of you botters would transfer the ectos and platinum to an alt account that never botted for safekeeping. Anet thought ahead and they let Dhuum take charge on you botting lames. 5 years EULA was the warning.

MArcSinus · May 27, 2010, 10:32 PM // 22:32

I'm sure they must have done something to deserve the ban. If they didn't, they can appeal to it by the customer service. So far all the people I know who have been banned deserve it. When somebody says: "I've only used textm0d wth!" I don't take it for granted tbh.